Chinese Despots -- Communists or Fascists?

Caller: What I wanted to say was: I think that actually China, right now -- under Mao they were communist -- right now, it seems to me that economically they're not communists, and really their system is much more like a fascist regime.

And any time you say "communist" the idiots in the media are going to think "reactionary." But if we use the term "fascist," and get it to stick, it will really get to them in the media, because they won't know what to do with it. And they feel obliged to froth at the mouth whenever you mention the term "fascist," but with "communist" they call you a reactionary.

Keyes: Two things are true, though. One, we have to pay some attention to what people call themselves. And they call themselves "communist." And they have reaffirmed this every chance they get, for whatever reason.

I agree with you, though, and I have made the point on the show several times, that what they are actually doing is re-inventing despotism to produce a new form. I think of it, in terms of an analytical phrase, as corporate totalitarianism. And I use that phrase, sometimes, because if you think about the phrase "corporate totalitarianism," you will realize that the Communist Chinese aren't the only people who can practice it. And that, in point of fact, one could envisage a kind of -- I would call it degradation; some might call it evolution -- of our own system that would move in the direction of corporate totalitarianism.

And I would argue that we are in fact seeing signs of that. In which we are dominated by an internationalist, corporate set of interests that gradually eats away and erodes our economic freedoms, our control over our economic resources, over our schools, and over our lives. And in exchange for this we get a certain kind of promise of economic stability -- sometimes honored in the breach -- so long as we give up our political freedom.

That is what the Communist Chinese now represent. This guy (Ziang) coming over here saying: "Well, we gotta do this; to keep up our 'opening.'" What does their opening mean? Their adoption of the corporate style, in their economic organization; that's what it means. But to get that, they are saying "we have to have political repression." That combination of corporatism and political repression, that I call "corporate totalitarianism," seems to be an emerging temptation for the world, right now. And I don't think it is confined to the Communist Chinese leadership.

Caller: I agree with everything you say. I just think that, from a political perspective, they are like the fascists. And if we can get that to stick . . .

Keyes: Well, in some ways it might be a little misleading. Because fascism was a particular phenomenon. You are absolutely right; I don't disagree with anything you are saying, in terms a lot of the characteristics of these communist despots. But they call themselves "communists"; they have that heritage; and one important element that is there, that was kind of absent in fascism, is their hatred of religion. And that hatred of religion harks back to their roots in Marxist-Leninism, and that whole materialistic, historicist tradition of communism.

And Bill Clinton, himself -- that's what I was trying to point out today -- he speaks from that tradition. Isn't that sad? We have a president who speaks the language of the Marxists.

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